Curse

HawkofStorms · Oct 20, 2009, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by Arcole

I would like to see Anet keep HB for 1 more RR day, but change it so both teams show up as red; obviously this can not work in the long term because of logistics and issues with the minimap, etc, but it would still be nice just to hear the cheaters moan and complain about something else before HB goes for good.

Higher rating resigns.
Person who loads on the North/West side of the map resigns.
Person who loses Rock Paper Scissors resigns.

The "solution" to RR is to make the quest not repeatable or have such a high requirement (10 wins instead of 2) that it becomes unproductive.

Again, HB isn't being removed because of RR. It is being removed because it sucks and is unpopular.

Jeyda, the proof is, in the original post saying they were going to get rid of HB and TA, Regina posted server side statistics showing that TA and HB were the 2 least played PvP formats in the entire game. Any given week, about 40 times as many RA games were played compared to HB (again, a statement from Regina's original post a month or two ago). They sucked. They were unpopular ghost towns. You can't deny that. That is a FACT. Not a made up "I believe it so it must be true" fact. A fact, backed by statistics.

Also, to all the "why isn't A.net CR team doing a better job announcing this?" All the people who actually cared about playing HB and TA, not just exploiting it for RR, (which is an INCREDIBLY SMALL portion of the community) have been aware of the pending update for at least a month. The fact that most people don't know about it, doesn't matter. Most people don't care. Think of the holiday events. "Where do I get my hat?" every 30 seconds. No matter how much info A.net releases, the people who don't really play that often aren't going to be kept informed. Only the diehards know information ahead of time, but only diehard fans even really care about TA or HB.

DreamWind · Oct 20, 2009, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by Gladiator Makoto

I'm sure ANet learned from the VoD abuse along with its removal and will continue to implement necessary changes to prevent the abuse of gameplay in any shape or form.

You're sure? Hum...no offense...but you either haven't been around long or you haven't been paying attention.

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Originally Posted by Aera

That's funny. TA is going to be removed but no complaints about TA are mentioned, just the stupid RR exploiters.

This is a good point. I actually have no problem with TA. The reason it isn't played much is because there is no reason to, not neccessarily because it is a terrible format. HB is arguably a terrible format that would be tough to fix, but at least it had a reason to play.

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Originally Posted by Axe

Nobody has seen Sealed Deck yet, its possible that its just like TA, but with the lame removed?

I highly doubt that, especially from what I have heard about it so far.

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Originally Posted by Axe

I remember how dissapointed I was when Anet did the 6v6 HAweekend and then just INSTANTLY came to the conclusion that "6v6 is better" because of how many districts were there (double fame) they never even asked the community, they just changed it, so I imagine your frustration.

LoL...good point. This move feels eeriely similar to that move, although granted that move was 10x worse and this move is still unproven.

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Originally Posted by Axe

Here is to hoping that SD will be in the same ballpark as the "ideal" TA format and I am sorry that TA was a casualty of the epic fail that was Hero Battles, using that Dev. time on TA instead of HB would have been a much better use.

Agree.

Cracko · Oct 20, 2009, 07:38 PM // 19:38

Oh wow, banning people for participating in RR day, has anet gone bat insane?

"When the law no longer represents the people, the people aren't wrong, the law is."

How in earth could they make the connection with SCAMMERS and RRers.

The most loving and honest people in know in GW have played RR, as they saw no harm in it. How are we supposed to know it's illegal? We'd have to check Gaile Grey's talk page and see if it has been discussed, communication with the players is KEY in making a great game.

You could've put up an announcement saying it is illegal but nooo, we'll keep it down so people can still do it, but we'll ban them for it after there's no more RR days.

/rant

Vazze · Oct 20, 2009, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Vazze · Oct 20, 2009, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Regina posted server side statistics showing that TA and HB were the 2 least played PvP formats in the entire game. Any given week, about 40 times as many RA games were played compared to HB (again, a statement from Regina's original post a month or two ago).

Where did she post those stats? Here on guru..?

Sarevok Thordin · Oct 20, 2009, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by Cracko

Oh wow, banning people for participating in RR day, has anet gone bat insane?

"When the law no longer represents the people, the people aren't wrong, the law is."

How in earth could they make the connection with SCAMMERS and RRers.

The most loving and honest people in know in GW have played RR, as they saw no harm in it. How are we supposed to know it's illegal? We'd have to check Gaile Grey's talk page and see if it has been discussed, communication with the players is KEY in making a great game.

You could've put up an announcement saying it is illegal but nooo, we'll keep it down so people can still do it, but we'll ban them for it after there's no more RR days.

/rant

I agree, this went on for MONTHS and Anet didn't do anything about it, basically saying "Ok go ahead". Compare this to the far crazier duping incident, they curbed that quite quickly compared to this.

Anet would be crazy to start banning people left and right in this situation. I too know alot of very happy people that went ahead and did it given there was no big notice about it once it got into full swing, even now there is no ingame notice, how is anyone that doesn't visit the wiki/forums know what the stance is on this, they see a herd and just go running along with it.

FREDtheDINOSAUR · Oct 20, 2009, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

I agree, this went on for MONTHS and Anet didn't do anything about it, basically saying "Ok go ahead". Compare this to the far crazier duping incident, they curbed that quite quickly compared to this.

Anet would be crazy to start banning people left and right in this situation. I too know alot of very happy people that went ahead and did it given there was no big notice about it once it got into full swing, even now there is no ingame notice, how is anyone that doesn't visit the wiki/forums know what the stance is on this, they see a herd and just go running along with it.

And, as the post you quoted said, there was NO in-game information condemning this and NO in-game system to prevent it.

HOW were people who don't gnome the wiki (like me) or people who don't constantly check the forums supposed to know this was wrong? There was no dishonor system to prevent it and there was no in-game information OR EVEN official journal information condemning it.

You can't just swing the ban-hammer now and assume that people were aware of what they were doing. YOU DIDN'T TELL THEM!

BlackSephir · Oct 20, 2009, 08:26 PM // 20:26

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Originally Posted by Cracko

The most loving and honest people in know in GW have played RR

I didn't.

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as they saw no harm in it. How are we supposed to know it's illegal?

Are you honestly trying to say you people didn't know it was a god damn exploit? There's only 2 possibilities:
a) oblivious, lack common sense b) dishonest

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You could've put up an announcement saying it is illegal but nooo

It's in EULA.

FREDtheDINOSAUR · Oct 20, 2009, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Are you honestly trying to say you people didn't know it was a god damn exploit? There's only 2 possibilities:
a) oblivious, lack common sense b) dishonest

It's in EULA.

To comment #1 - They knew it was an exploit BUT so is Speed Clearing dungeons, SF farming, etc. (and Anet has said it too). How were they supposed to know it was match manipulation and could lead to ban? (unless they caught the 2 comments on 2 obscure pages on GWW or buried in a forum here).

To comment #2 - And how many of them do you think have read the EULA? Have you?

BlackSephir · Oct 20, 2009, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by FREDtheDINOSAUR

How were they supposed to know it was match manipulation and could lead to ban?

I don't know, maybe from the fact that they were MANIPULATING THE OUTCOME OF THE MATCH?

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To comment #2 - And how many of them do you think have read the EULA? Have you?

No, but that's only because I'm smarter and prettier than them, plus I have lots and lots of COMMON SENSE which prevents me from doing stupid shit like this and even if I wanted to do some stupid shit I'd make sure they've got nothing on me.

Mangione · Oct 20, 2009, 08:38 PM // 20:38

I didn't participate in RR.
It was too good to be true, and if something is that good it is cheating or a scam.

Maybe it's just my (un)common sense, but I saw it as an exploit as soon as I heard about it.

Then Gaile clearly stated that RR is match manipulation.

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Are you honestly trying to say you people didn't know it was a god damn exploit? There's only 2 possibilities:
a) oblivious, lack common sense b) dishonest

It's in EULA.

QFT.

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Originally Posted by FREDtheDINOSAUR

To comment #1 - They knew it was an exploit BUT so is Speed Clearing dungeons, SF farming, etc. (and Anet has said it too). How were they supposed to know it was match manipulation and could lead to ban? (unless they caught the 2 comments on 2 obscure pages on GWW or buried in a forum here).

It's a comparison that can't stand.
Match manipulation is different from using gimmicky builds to win pve areas, does this need to be even explained?

own age myname · Oct 20, 2009, 08:40 PM // 20:40

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

I don't know, maybe from the fact that they were MANIPULATING THE OUTCOME OF THE MATCH?

Because the common GW player (were talking about just the average joe who PUGs and stumbles across RR day in AC) are conscious on what they are doing?

Cracko · Oct 20, 2009, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

I didn't.

It's in EULA.

So is "no account sharing." but they put up an announcement for that.

BlackSephir · Oct 20, 2009, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by own age myname

Because the common GW player (were talking about just the average joe who PUGs and stumbles across RR day in AC) are conscious on what they are doing?

Brain-dead people shouldn't be playing GW anyway.

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So is "no account sharing." but they put up an announcement for that.

So? There's a lot in EULA that hasn't been posted in the announcements. Doesn't mean it's unimportant.

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Bah, troll more please.

What the hell? You yourself said that they're not concious of what they're doing. If one isn't conscious of what he's doing than he's pretty much mentally challenged.
Seriously, go ask a doctor.

own age myname · Oct 20, 2009, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Brain-dead people shouldn't be playing GW anyway.

Bah, troll more please.

Cracko · Oct 20, 2009, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Brain-dead people shouldn't be playing GW anyway.

So? There's a lot in EULA that hasn't been posted in the announcements. Doesn't mean it's unimportant.

omfg, if you care about your players, you put up an announcement for that, as a game company you DONT want your players banned, its the worst thing there is. if they put up an announcement saying it was illegal, accounts could have been spared.

but you dont care, youre too smart to fall in the grasps of RR day anyway.

FREDtheDINOSAUR · Oct 20, 2009, 08:46 PM // 20:46

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

I don't know, maybe from the fact that they were MANIPULATING THE OUTCOME OF THE MATCH?

But how were they supposed to know that? There was no in-game announcement and there was no system in place to discourage it, such as dishonor. It was something they were able to do and it wasn't a mAT, so how could beginning HB players (PvE'ers mostly) know that it wasn't ok? Speed Clearing isn't ok, but you don't see Anet banning those people.

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

No, but that's only because I'm smarter and prettier than them, plus I have lots and lots of COMMON SENSE which prevents me from doing stupid shit like this and even if I wanted to do some stupid shit I'd make sure they've got nothing on me.

Just so you know, I haven't done RR day either. However, I do have TONS of friends who have (practically my whole alliance) and I see their view point.

And where is common sense supposed to come in? There was NOTHING to prohibit this in-game, therefore people can not be held accountable for doing it. Common sense occurs when you do something and a response occurs teaching whether or not to do it again. Well, this went on for months with no reaction. How were they supposed to learn?

If they ban, they will have a whole lot of support tickets saying "I didn't know that was wrong." And what can Anet say to that? It was in the EULA and on 2 obscure wiki pages? That's just not fair.

Sarevok Thordin · Oct 20, 2009, 08:55 PM // 20:55

Remember:
This went on for MONTHS and it only caught hold big time when the Sealed Deck announcement went up (including HB's removal).

No login-announcement, no Dishonor (This could have prevented the ENTIRE THING), no nothing went into the game to stop it, it was just left to fester for a couple of weeks and the thing spiralled out of control when news got out to the big PvE alliances.

Anet should take it in their stride as a wakeup call to better remain in contact with the players. Even the wiki-page took ages to get feedback about the practice and given the potential (and executed) actions of players anyone could have given a response in 10 seconds if it was ok or not.

BlackSephir · Oct 20, 2009, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by Cracko

omfg, if you care about your players, you put up an announcement for that

It's there, the announcement you have to agree to if you want to even install the game.

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as a game company you DONT want your players banned, its the worst thing there is.

What are the banned people going to do, don't pay monthly fee?

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if they put up an announcement saying it was illegal, accounts could have been spared.

Maybe AN did have a bit faith in GW's players. I'm sure it won't happen ever again.

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but you dont care, youre too smart to fall in the grasps of RR day anyway.

YESSS!!

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But how were they supposed to know that?

Again, EULA. And no, no one cares how many people haven't read it.
Ask a lawyer if agreeing to a document without reading it first is wise.
Actually, you can ask anyone sane and the answer will be the same.

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However, I do have TONS of friends who have (practically my whole alliance) and I see their view point.

I have buddies who did it too. Doesn't mean they weren't wrong.

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There was NOTHING to prohibit this in-game, therefore people can not be held accountable for doing it. Common sense occurs when you do something and a response occurs teaching whether or not to do it again.

Common sense dictates that if you don't know what you're doing is right or wrong you should check with the guy who lets you play in his playground.

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How were they supposed to learn?

That's not something that has to be learned.
You didn't RR, I didn't RR, many others didn't RR. It's common sense.

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It was in the EULA and on 2 obscure wiki pages? That's just not fair.

Yes, it could've been only in EULA and they still would be wrong. Not knowing the law doesn't mean you can break it.

Draikin · Oct 20, 2009, 09:03 PM // 21:03

As far as I know nobody has been banned for match manipulation at this point and it's highly unlikely to happen. Support never punished match manipulation in HB no matter what happened, they aren't going to start now. Most people figured that out long ago and it's one of the reasons RR was so successful. It's not that people "didn't know" about it (which is no excuse anyway), they just knew Anet would ignore them.